绿色建筑的现在和将来---迈向净零碳时代: 用投资与创新保护人类、呵护地球

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绿色建筑的现在和将来---迈向净零碳时代: 用投资与创新保护人类、呵护地球“What if?” Future of Green Building---The Path to Zero: Protecting People and Planet Through Investment and I

绿色建筑的现在和将来---迈向净零碳时代: 用投资与创新保护人类、呵护地球
“What if?” Future of Green Building
---The Path to Zero: Protecting People and Planet Through Investment and Innovation
            

     

在“国际智慧零碳健康社区和建筑系列论坛:全球视野下的智慧零碳健康社区和建筑论坛”之际,中装协绿色健康分会秘书长( General Secretary, China Green Healthy Interior Council CGHIC, China Building Decoration Association),香港理工大学可持续建设实验室客座研究员( Visiting Researcher, Sustainable Construction Lab., the Hong Kong Polytechnic University) 马特迪扬绿色科技发展有限公司总经理(General Manager, Marty Young Green Sci-Tech Development Co.Ltd)冯勇博士 (Dr. Marty Y, Feng),应邀对 马晗先生原CEO 美国绿色建筑委员会进行了专访 had the privilege to interview with Mr. Mahesh Ramanujam (former President and CEO of the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC), Green Business Certification Inc. (GBCI)。现将专访翻译中文进行报道(报道内容和文字经受访人认可同意,以英文为准):

1, Marty: Mr. Mahesh 先生,非常高兴您提供这个采访机会!首先请您分享一下您的职业人生和事业的理想? (Thank you for your offering me the interview! Could you please share your career philosophy and your vision for the future?)

Mahesh: 我的职业生涯可用独特鲜明的两个字“What if?” (假如什么?应该如何做?)来概述。My career experience is distinguished by two words: What if? 
我习惯不接收极限和勇于挑战极限,总是乐于往前看“十步”,这就鼓励我不断创新,实现了许多“首创”和“全球第一”。 Instead of accepting the limits, I always strive to look ten steps ahead, which has allowed me to innovate and accomplish many “firsts.” 
做为思想智慧的探索者和领导者,我怀揣“人类必将拥有光明繁荣的未来”的信念,现在和将来始终致力于为绿色建筑、低碳生态城(区)和零碳世界的发展和实现,开创和铺设新路径和新赛道。I’m driven by a belief in a brighter future. As a thought leader, I’m working to pave a new path for green buildings, communities, and cities. 

我是一名乐观主义者,我追求的愿景和理想:为了我们这代人和我们人类的子孙后代的美好生活,唤起每一位世界公民公平良知的社会责任感和紧迫感,让健康建筑在全球高度文明开放的实践中应用、实现和产生效益。With a focus on optimism, I work to embed purpose in my work. My ultimate vision is a universal adoption of high-minded practices, with healthy buildings as urgent civic responsibilities to ensure a better quality of life for current and future generations. 

2, Marty: 您担任President and CEO, USGBC, GBCI近13年, 引领、开创和取得哪些主要的业绩?(What are the major achievements of USGBC and GBCI during your 13 years as President and CEO?)

Mahesh: 我在美国绿色建筑委员会(USGBC)工作任职13年,美国绿色建筑委员会是制定设计、施工和营运的绿色建筑标准和认证建筑可持续发展的非盈利组织。在这工作期间,我和我同事们不断开发、迭代和扩展包括LEED 和Arc在内的许多世界级品牌,把美国绿色建筑委员会打造成为最著名的机构组织之一。I spent thirteen years at the US Green Building Council, or USGBC, a non-profit which sets and certifies sustainability standards in the built environment, from construction, to design, to operations. During my time at there, in partnership with the USGBC community, I transformed the organization into the premier building standards organization on the planet. My team updated, introduced, and expanded several USGBC brands including LEED and Arc. 

通过我卓越的领导以及我和我团队不懈的努力和贡献,我们优化升级了LEED的认证过程和质量,扩大了LEED在全球范围的影响力。在我任职期间,LEED取得了历史性里程碑的成绩:182个国家和地区高达107,000.00个注册认证LEED项目, 210,000.00名LEED Professional (专业持证人员),273个城市和社区参与到LEED的活动中。我特别引以自豪的是:LEED的体系中引入Arc数字软件平台, 测试和计量建筑的各种性能, 至今已有135个国家25,000.00多个绿色可持续发展优秀项目正在使用Arc平台系统,这些Arc平台系统,不仅计量建筑应对气候变化的影响,而且分析评估对居住者、使用者的各种影响作用。Through diligent leadership and unrelenting dedication to the LEED standard, I finetuned the certification and credentialing process, and expanded the impact of LEED on an international scale. During my tenure, LEED celebrated many milestones including reaching 107,000 registrations and certifications, expansion into 182 countries and territories, engagement of nearly 210,000 LEED professionals, and 273 global cities and communities participating in LEED. I’m also extremely proud of modernizing LEED to go digital, by introducing Arc, a software platform that streamlines and guides measurement of building performance. Since its inception, Arc is being used by more than 25,000 sustainable projects in 135 different countries. My favorite part of all of this is that LEED and Arc not only measure a building’s impact on climate but on people, as well.

3, Marty: 请告诉我们您的这些工作和业绩对LEED和全球建筑可持续发展领域产生的哪些重大和深远的作用、影响和贡献? (How has your work left a lasting impact on the global society?)

Mahesh: 在美国绿色建筑委员会USBC工作任职期间,我除了在专业技术领域做出的努力和贡献以外,自我宽慰和骄傲的是:给人类和社会带来了环境效益和经济利益。通过我和我USGBC的团队辛勤努力和耕耘,数以亿计的绿色可持续建筑在我们星球上拔地而起,这不仅提高和改善公共卫生和平等,而且大大减少了碳排放量,已经被证实这些成绩不仅有利于我们赖以生存的地球,而且具有深远而重大的经济效益。While my work at USGBC makes me proud from a professional perspective, I am most pleased with the environmental impact and benefits provided for people and society as a whole. Thanks to the hard work of my team and the USGBC community, thousands of buildings across the planet are more sustainable, thus improving public health, equity, and of course, decarbonization. We’ve proven that what’s best for the planet, can also be profitable.
我们绿色可持续发展建筑的经历和实践证明“合作开放共赢”的精神,能产生巨大的世界合力。当初那些很少或者没有绿色建筑标准和可持续发展建筑认证的国家,在我的领导和我们团队的努力下,LEED注册认证项目现在与日剧增,处于全球增长排名领先。更为特别突出贡献的是:当全球处于“停顿”隔离和挫折困境的新冠流行肆虐时,我的USGBC团队和全球合作伙伴们,用遍及全球各城市和社区的LEED注册认证项目,为人们提供安全健康人居和办公环境空间。This work shows that collaborative spirit can yield global results. Countries with little to no building sustainability standards have begun leading in certification, even during a number of global setbacks, including the Covid-19 pandemic. By certifying millions of square feet to LEED standards, my team and the USGBC community prepared cities and communities everywhere for safe re-entry into shared spaces following isolation. 

4, Marty: 由于您在全球可持续发展建筑卓越的领导力、创新力和影响力, 您得到US former president Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Amal Clooney, Dan Levy 和世界享有名望的建筑师Bjarke Ingels 等全球领导人和名流的赞许支持, 并与他们进行合作,请介绍一下您在这些合作中的感想、经历和内容。(You have collaborated with former presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, Amal Clooney, Dan Levy and renowned architect Bjarke Ingels.  Could you please elaborate on the details of these collaborations?)

Mahesh:  是的,我非常荣幸地有机会与这些世界领袖、著名大伽、享有名望的建筑大师面对面地交流对话,他们均是全球最有影响力和最有智慧思想的精英。我们之间广泛而深入的交流探讨有关可持续发展、政治、经济等领域和议题。这些交流对话,无论是简单的头脑风暴,还是叩首赐教,受益匪浅!这些交流对话是通过公开论坛和平台教育推广,因而,思想、智慧和知识的源泉,会穿过“闭门圆桌会”,涌入万众创新的洪流之中。我在国际传媒、杂志和平台上,撰写了大量的文章和评论,发表我对ESG、投资、技术和公共政策的推广和建议,请大家给予传阅。 I’ve had the privilege of one-on-one meetings with the brightest minds in the sustainability, political, and economic spaces. Whether we’re simply brainstorming, or consulting for best practices, there’s something to learn from each of these interactions. Much of this work has been on public panels and thought leadership, so the knowledge isn’t locked behind closed doors in boardrooms but shared with a large audience. I also reach out to a large audience through my writing, which I’m proud to say has been featured in international media outlets and publications. My articles usually include opinions on ESG, investment, technology, and public policy.

5, Marty: 应对气候变化是人类共同面对的危机,减少碳排放更是全球共同承担的任务和责任,但是比减少碳排放更具有挑战和困难的是改变人们对此行动产生的反对、畏惧和犹豫的思想、观点和态度,作为全球可持续建筑领域具有影响的领导人,您是如何看待解决这些关键性难题的? (Climate change is a challenge faced by mankind and reducing carbon emissions is a global responsibility. What is more challenging and difficult than reducing carbon emissions is how to change people's resistance, fear and hesitation. As an influential global leader in sustainability, how do you think we can bring about the necessary change?)

Mahesh: 每个致力于可持续发展的参与者,都会发现比减少大规模碳排放量更为困难艰巨的工作是改变人们固有的传统思维方式和观点。我个人直接的经验告诉我们:这种改变是完全可能实现的。逐步改变人们的思维模式和思考方式,让他们了解明白净零碳世界对地球、社会和每个人,均有切身的利益和益处。我亲自发起和推动了各种形式和规模的对话活动,其目的是:大力阐述和宣传减碳和创新的经济性、创造性和迫切性。As anyone in the sustainability movement knows, the only thing more difficult than dropping carbon emissions on a massive scale, is changing minds. But I have seen firsthand that this is possible. Anyone can evolve their mindset and understanding on the mission to achieve net-zero. I, personally, drive the conversation around carbon reduction toward innovation, economic viability, and immediacy. 

这是我去年从美国绿色建筑委员会USGBC卸任后,最为主要的唯一工作和任务“思想有多远行动就能走多远”,将会鼓励和推动我的毕生环保事业。我和我的团队将专注未来和发展,破除“禁锢的筒仓”,扩大和实现在净零项目和ESG上的投资和回报。This has only become more of a priority since stepping down from my executive role at USGBC last year, and the opportunity to open minds fuels my environmental work. My team is future-focused, breaking down silos to expand investment in net-zero projects and ESG.

6, Marty: 纵观总结全球的绿色建筑发展,可持续发展建筑正在广泛普及,绿色建筑对世界的环境、社会、应对气候等方面取得积极推动进步作用并做出应有的贡献,但是绿色建筑还未在传统的建筑领域和城市建设发展、管理和运营中成为主流,特别是在经济和投资领域中,虽然有些国家和地区已经发起和实施与之配套的绿色金融(Sustainable Finance),但是绿色建筑产生发挥的经济投资效益和作用还不够,您曾经是Chairman of GRESB (Global Real Estate Sustainability Benchmark), 极力推行ESG在建筑领域、房地产业和在城市建设管理中应用,请跟我们讲述一下您的观点、经验和方法。 (Green building has enjoyed significant growth which has made contributions to the environment, the society, and the climate. However, the green building has not been fully embraced by the traditional building industry. It is not in the mainstream of development, management and operation of the construction industry and urban development, especially in the area of investment. Although some countries and regions have initiated and implemented green finance (Sustainable Finance), the impact is still much desired. You were the Chairman of GRESB, vigorously promoting the application of ESG in construction, real estate, and urban development. Could you please share your views, experiences, and methods?)

Mahesh: 对的, 我曾担任GRESB 的主席, GRESB 是于2020年成为GBCI 的全资子公司。我的主要工作就是把成长中的GRESB转化成为能评估全球房地产的现实ESG标准工具。 Correct. I was the Chairman of GRESB, a fully owned GBCI subsidiary until 2020. There, my work was instrumental in growing GRESB as the de facto ESG framework for real assets globally. 

在过去的十年中,ESG市场持续增长,达到40万亿美元规模,几乎每个行业领域均不同程度范围地承诺选择ESG, 这是一件让人鼓舞的事情!但是所面临的困难和挑战是:如何对这些承诺进行应用落地、评估和报告?不幸的是:市场上已经出现“伪绿色”(Greenwashing)现象,这是我过去和现在始终不断地强调和警示的,近期有些新闻信息已对此进行了报道和披露。事实上“伪绿色”是一个比应对气候变化怠慢犹豫更为危险的事,因为它会削弱和侵蚀ESG市场的自信和信誉。因此,我们需要不懈努力地聚焦在对利益相关者的教育、全面系统地阐述ESG的效益、作用和益处,将ESG的实践整合到商业活动中和数字应对气候行动中,逐渐使得ESG成为主流,最终实现和产生绿色金融固有的效益、角色和作用In the past 10 years, the ESG market has grown steadily to a $40 trillion industry with pretty much every sector committing to adopt an ESG strategy of some sorts. While this is very encouraging, the challenge remains of how these commitments are implemented, measured, and reported. Unfortunately, recent news reports have highlighted a potential concern that I have consistently raised in the past – Greenwashing. In fact, Greenwashing is worse than climate inaction, as it erodes the confidence and trust of markets. So, maintaining a laser focus on stakeholder education to articulate the benefits of ESG, integrating ESG practices into every business process and digitizing climate actions are all steps required to mainstream ESG and realize the inherent benefits of Sustainable Finance. 

7, Marty: 您去年完成了在USGBC, GBCI职责工作后, 已经卸任CEO,president职务,您作为全球绿色建筑最具有影响力和领导人之一,对各国和各地区绿色建筑现状和发展比较了解,对未来绿色建筑发展方向和趋势具有独特的判断和预测,同时,也有自己的思考和计划,比如:绿色建筑和可持续发展建筑与科技进步手段结合,与其他领域科技技术进行优化整合,这势必将对全球绿色建筑带来彻底的改革创新变化(比如Web3, Cryptography Currency, Platform ),我们十分愿意聆听您的预测分析和阐述?(As one of the most influential leaders of green buildings in the world, you have a good understanding of green building development in various countries and regions, and have unique views on the future trends in the world. You’re also leading in other areas such as: the convergence of green building with Web 3, Blockchain and Crypto technology. We would love to hear your thoughts on how this technology can be used to make the world greener?)

Mahesh: 我的团队正聚焦在可持续发展建设领域的投资、招募和整合创新以及创新基金中。不断探索创新,开辟新技术革命和应用,比如:区块链、加密货币的“绿色”创新,为可持续发展在Web3上挖掘开辟新领域,最终用于评估和提高ESG的标准和水平。My team is actively investing in, convening and unifying innovations across the sustainability sector. Constantly looking ahead, we are tapping into new technologies like blockchain, carving out a space for sustainability in Web3 by both “greening” creation of cryptocurrencies and using it to measure and bolster ESG standards. 

8, Marty: 您在任职President, CEO, USGBC, GBCI期间经常来到中国,频繁时候飞往拜访中国高到每年40次,我们在中国有关绿色建筑的论坛、会议和项目推广宣传活动中,时常看见您的身影、聆听您的演讲,据不完全统计: 中国的LEED注册和认证项目成为除美国本土外数量第一的国家,中国大陆目前已建设85亿平方米的绿色建筑,LEED对中国绿色建筑的应用产生巨大推动影响作用,这均与您的领导、努力和勤劳息息相关。现在请您对中国绿色建筑事业发展谈谈你的看法、建议和希望。(You spent quite a bit of time in China to promote green building. You made up to 40 trips a year to China at the peak time. You were a frequent speaker at green building forums, conferences, and promotion events in China. I understand that China enjoys the highest number of LEED projects outside the United States. Mainland China has built 8.5 billion square meters of green buildings. This is all because of your vision, leadership, and hard work, which has contributed to the success of LEED in China. Now, please share your views, suggestions and hopes on the development of China's green building industry.)

Mahesh: 我非常荣幸地借本次论坛的机会与中国新老朋友们交流探讨! 就如您所说的中国已经成为LEED最为重要地位,我的建议:中国持续地创新和推进绿色建筑这个伟大事业。I am honored to be speaking with my friends in China, and the International Intelligent Zero Carbon Health Forum. As you mentioned, China has become a LEED powerhouse, and my advice is, keep that momentum going. 

冯先生,您是中国绿色建筑早期的参与者,不遗余力地探索和创新实践包括ESG和绿色金融等方面绿色建筑工作,据我所知:中国已经规定上市公司强制性ESG报告。我非常高兴有机会与冯先生和您的团队一起合作推动ESG 和绿色金融进步,更为高兴的是能与我的中国新老朋友一起交流探讨如何实践ESG和绿色金融。最后,我鼓励和祝愿我的中国朋友和伙伴们为我们共同美好的世界继续努力,善待我们的地球,用好我们有限资源,关注人、连接和未来。Marty, you are a pioneer in Chinese green building movements and tireless dedicated to innovation of green buildings including ESG and sustainable finance. As I know, public listed companies in China are mandatory to adopt ESG report. Furthermore, I would like to work with you and your team for the progress of ESG in Chinese market, also, I love to discuss and implement ESG and sustainable finance with all of my old and new Chinese friends. I encourage all of you to continue striving for a better world, using the resources available to you, with a focus on people, connections, and the future.